Wednesday, December 21, 2011

What's the good news?  The good news is... the return of BRIAN!

Ithaca-based duo BRIAN!, who have been captivating and confusing audiences around Central New York for the last two and a half years with their experimental compositions,  have expanded to a trio which now includes the one and only, Willie B!

The line-up now consists of Ithaca Underground captain, Bubba Crumrine on guitar, bass, vocals, and electronics; David Resig on amplified bassoon, and the aforementioned Willie B. (a.k.a. Brian Wilson) on drums and percussion.

Willie B. has performed and recorded with many great artists such as Sally Timms (The Mekons), Warren Zanes (Del Fuegos), NYC punk legend Jayne County, and Neko Case. He has toured Europe and the U.S. extensively with Johnny Dowd and surf rockers the Mofos. From punk to jazz to country, Willie's versatility is his strength – which made him a “must-have” for the experimental duo BRIAN! whose compositions draw from avant-garde, prog, and math-rock while incorporating elements of noise and dark ambient music.  Expect Willie to fit in just fine behind the kit, armed with orchestral, experimental, and traditional percussion.

BRIAN! made its live debut in the fall of 2009.  Shortly thereafter, the duo recorded with Michael Stark in the winter of 2009 and subsequently released their first EP in the spring of 2010 aptly entitled “EEEEP” to underground acclaim. Their unconventional set-up, complex music, and unique structure drew subtle attention from rock, experimental, and classical communities. 2011 saw David and Bubba take their composition to new directions and volumes with modification of Dave’s bassoon to full amplification-ready.  Soon after, the material in the works began to hint that the addition of a percussionist could help take the bands’ ideas to the next level.  A search ensued throughout the fall and through a bit of “right place at the right time,” the duo caught wind that Willie was available and interested in the venture.  Two solid sessions later, it was clear that BRIAN! could not do without this one man behind the beat.

In their duo incarnation, BRIAN! has performed with the likes of Marnie Stern, Cheer Accident, Faun Fables, Giraffes? Girrafes!, Sleep for the Nightlife, All of Them Witches, Make-A-Rising, and many more.

The trio will make their debut later this spring and from February 24th-26th they'll a quick tour of Ithaca, Binghamton, Syracuse with hardcore acts Dance-A-Tron and Blunt Guts - from Binghamton and Syracuse respectively.

Dates, times, photos, and new music to come so, stay tuned to their Facebook page for all of what's next.

For questions or booking, contact Bubba at

Friday, December 9, 2011

Live Video: BIG DAY IN

THANKS - to everyone who came out, every band, and everyone involved on the back end of this, especially McNeil Music of Ithaca, Angry Mom Records, and of course, The Haunt - all for making this the biggest and best BIG DAY IN yet! See you in May for another. Tons of IU shows coming your way soon. Lots of vids below with Algernon Cadwallader, Pars & Labor, Summer People, HotChaCha, Megachurch, SIRS, The Sidekicks, Band Name, Shoppers, why+the+wires, and Kaboosh!

Algernon Cadwallader

Algernon Cadwallader

Parts & Labor - Constant Future (Clip)

Parts & Labor - Fractured Skies

Summer People - Baseball Bat

Summer People - Chapin 94

Summer People w/ Jovana from HotChaCha - Hallelujah, I'm A Bum (Clip)

HotChaCha - Suicide Mission

Megachurch - Resurrection w/ Intro

Megachurch - Speaking In Tongues


The Sidekicks

The Sidekicks

Band Name

Shoppers - III

why+the+wires - Intro To Canada

Kaboosh! - Everyone's Gone

Kaboosh! - Waterboarding

Thursday, December 1, 2011

It's been 11 months since SIRS graced Ithaca with their presence and we're ultra ready for another dose. Since then, they've put some more miles under their belts, made their Topshelf Records debut - another split, this time in collaboration with the UK's run, WALK! and their mates, Holy Roar Records - and have even more new material in the works.  They guys are in good spirits and amped for Big Day In. Below, Ithaca Underground's Bubba Crumrine catches up with Justin, Kyle, Mike and Hart - who is no stranger to this day-fest, having performed last December in Zona Mexicana.

IU: How has the band been since we saw you guys back in January?

Justin: Pretty great actually. January was when we really started to figure out how we wanted to sound.  When our first guitarist left to form another band, Mike joined pretty much the next day, and as soon as that happened we started to write songs that we really liked and we haven't stopped since.  Mike's a team player and an all around swell guy.

IU: Have you been hitting the road a lot?

Justin: We try to tour whenever we get the chance. This past summer we did a 20 something day tour around the eastern half of the U.S. but, our unreliable van (RIP Gladys) made the trip pretty nerve wracking.  Before that we did a couple shorter tours last summer and winter.  We've got some ideas for this winter and hopefully the summer, but we really have our sights set on next fall when we can hit up some other colleges besides our own.

IU: How did SIRS come to be?

Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Another trio's first time in Ithaca! This time is the blown out noise-rock of SHOPPERS. It's members are heavily involved in the DIY community in Syracuse - from music to records, shows, and more - and put their punk ethics on the road regularly. Other than that, we'll let their music and words speak for themselves. We've heard fantastic things about their live show from many reliable sources so, come out early and don't miss their 2:30 set at BIG DAY IN this Saturday at The Haunt.  Anyone wanna grab Meredith a vegan slice from Pizza Aroma?

IU: When and how did the three of you come together as Shoppers?

Meredith: Josh and Kari had been best friends for years when I moved to Syracuse.  When Josh and I started dating, Kari and I naturally became friends and decided to start a band together, without Josh. We looked around for a different drummer because Josh was already in bands, but eventually we gave in and started playing as a family.

IU: Tell us about your latest LP, "Silver Year" and the processes you went through:

Meredith: That's kind of like, 'You just had a baby, tell us about the processes you went through'-- I can't possibly know everything that happened, I can't describe the celestial things that went on inside of me, but I can tell you that I got fucked, walked around with it inside me for about nine months, and eventually forced it out.

Josh:  We all went down to Miami on tour and recorded a long play record released on Drugged Conscience and Feeble Minds' collective dime.  Kari did like four bass track overdubs and I was a one-take dynamo in the studio (our friend Brian's parent's guest room).  Then Meredith recorded a half hour of noise to drown out any potential fuck-ups.

IU: Any highlights from your fall tour?

Tuesday, November 29, 2011

We've got a slathering of trio's making their first appearance in Ithaca this Saturday, including our headliners Algernon Cadwallader - a group of pals creating complex, melodic music. Their full-length Some Kind of Cadwallader stole the hearts of punk, math-rock, and hardcore fans alike. With their latest, Parrot Flies - a more polished effort while still retaining the realness that is Algernon Cadwallader - and subsequent intercontinental tour, these three friends aim to keep turning heads around the globe. Don't worry about pronouncing their name, just make sure you don't miss their headlining set at BIG DAY IN. Ithaca Undergound's Bubba Crumrine gets the skinny from Peter and Joe.

IU: For the uninitiated, how did you three meet and start making music together?

Peter: We met in the suburbs of Philadelphia when we were high school-aged.  Joe and I had a band that would play with Tank's band.  When our original drummer left to go to school, Tank was our first choice and we eventually coaxed him into it.  We lived happily ever after.

IU:What are some moments you most enjoyed creating "Parrot Flies"?

Peter: Recording in an empty church for a week was pretty amazing.  I still can't believe we pulled that one off.  Also, exploring the sounds of different amp and mic combinations - that's fun for us.

IU: The record is quite a bit denser and more layered than its predecessors, was this a concious effort to move in this direction or just a natural progression of having more time and different resources?

Monday, November 28, 2011

It's that time of year again! Time for another 10 hours of awesome music down at The Haunt with Ithaca Underground. We're extremely honored to be hosting Parts & Labor on this our fifth Big Day In event (our third winter version).  Why are we so smitten to have this band in particular?  We'll beyond them being one of the best bands to merge noise, punk, and pop mentalities, after what will be a 10 year run, this Ithaca performance is their final outside of Brooklyn before their pending infinite hiatus.  Ithaca Underground's Bubba Crumrine catches up with founding members BJ Warshaw and Dan Friel - both of whom have performed their own solo acts in Ithaca previously - regarding their latest LP "Constant Future", the possible end of Parts & Labor, and what's next.

IU: First off, I must say we're utterly enthralled with the idea of Parts & Labor's long-anticipated debut in Ithaca.  Sadly, it sounds as though it may be our last. Could you give us and our readers some insight on the cause for hanging the project up for now and what you'll all be focusing on in the meantime?

BJ: We're very excited to finally be playing Ithaca, at long last!

There's not one, central reason for the impending hiatus.  We each have a lot of personal things, families and occupations, that have begun to take up more of our time.  That and our geographical separation has made frequent collaboration and touring increasingly tricky (Joe still lives in Milwaukee, Dan lives in Brooklyn, and I
live in New Jersey).  But mainly we felt ending strongly with a celebration, after 10 years of touring and making records, made a lot of sense.  There's really no discord between us.

We've all got other musical endeavors you'll be hearing from.  I'll be working on Shooting Spires.  Dan's working on a new solo record.  Joe continues to make music for film/TV through his company Noisola.

IU: Glad we'll still have those things to look forward to.  As Parts & Labor, you guys have had a great run of LPs, EPs, tours, collaborations, and collaborators making fantastic noise -  what are some of your favorite highlights?

Summer People this Saturday at Big Day In! Ah, music to my ears. Despite our love for this this high-energy revolving cast of characters, this is the first BDI that has worked out for both parties. We're stoked to have one of central NY's hottest rising stars back on the IU stage. This crew had another busy year with two more lengthy tours, releasing their spilt 12" with tourmates HotChaCha, a successful Kickstarter to convert their tour van to veggie power and press their second LP "Teamwork" to vinyl and more. Ithaca Underground's Bubba Crumrine catches up with Brandon Musa for a bit of Q&A before they head for Buffalo to start a handful of NY tour dates, ending with our event on Saturday.

IU: Congrats on the kickstarter process! How is everything going regarding the pressing and veggie conversion?

Brandon: Thanks! It’s going well. We are working on getting both done within the next month or two.

IU: Glad I was able to catch the SP/HCC set at Culture Shock earlier in the fall.  Everyone tore it up as usual. What were some highlights from your tours w/ HotChaCha and Zlam Dunk?

Live footage from our new pals in Rat Storm (killer female fronted powerviolence from IN), new local band called Crown of Oak (solid melodic, concentrated prog rock - watch out for these guys), my first solo performance, and return to Ithaca for Plasma 36.

Friday, November 25, 2011

Hey gang! Time for a visual recap of what's been going on. Footage from the 11/17 IU show with Dope Body, Child Bite, Like Wolves, and Womyn Boiz plus two clips from the Risley show with Phorke and Year on a Mountain. Added bonus - footage from the Tumul return show in Rochester 11/20.

Dope Body

Tuesday, November 15, 2011

Last official IU show of the year before BIG DAY IN! (aka the show of the two word band names).

It's time to pull out all the stops, bring the ruckus, make the sweat, do the thing with the stuff, and so on, so forth. If this one doesn't end in a big pile of everything, I'm going home. But, enough with the nonsense.

Let's meet our first out of state guests of honor... There's DOPE BODY, who hail from Baltimore (love that place) and whom we unfortunately missed on their summer tour with Liturgy and Hume. Their latest LP "Nupping" hit a few months back over the summer and their latest beast (pictured above) is a screenprinted split with tourmates CHILD BITE from Detroit.  The DB crew wield a solid mix of crunch, math-spazz, and rock holler (who have an apparent affinity for Rage Against The Machine of all things) and CB are a keyboard-happy ball of avant-punk.  The CB camp recently performed as Nine Inch Nails for their hometown Halloween show. Guess you could say we've got two killer, high-energy bands on tour together with an affinity for 90s big shots, doing things that present-day fans of those bands would probably hate. I digress. Check these out!

100 MILE /// DOPE BODY from Theo Anthony on Vimeo.


Closing out the night will be our good friends from Rochester, Hex Record's own LIKE WOLVES. These guys have been slugging it for over 3 years with a high-energy hardcore punk influenced by angular goodies like Hot Snakes & Drive Like Jehu. First time back in Ithaca since Dec '10. Check out tracks of their latest 12" here and footage from their Big Day In performance below!

Like Wolves - Big Day In at The Haunt - Ithaca, NY - 12/4/10 from Chris Knight on Vimeo.

Last but first, our pals Womyn Boiz will be kicking things off. Gnarly garage punk with plenty of samples from Binghamton/NYC. Check out their tunes here.  

So, the order is Womyn Boiz, Child Bite, Dope Body, and Like Wolves.  8PM $5 ALL AGES >>>
The Space @ GreenStar, 700 W Buffalo St, Ithaca, NY 14850
- easy to get to from the corner of N. Fulton & Court St by the railroad tracks but if you want to take Buffalo St - take the alley across from GreenStar Coop between Enterprise and Kalzonies... drive down the alley a bit until Corks & More is on your left - The Space is on your right (the yellow & purple bldg withing the fencing).  Makes more sense when you're there I swear.  See you then!

Monday, November 14, 2011

We've had a great month so far with the likes of Pterodactyl, new locals Time/Being, BEES///, why+the+wires, Mothguts, Don't Go Into The Woods, and The Invisible Hand. Look out for this Thursday with Like Wolves, Dope Body, Child Bite and Womyn Boiz. In the meantime, check out some vids below!

Pterodactyl "Esses" - 11.05.11

Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Get read for Jersey jazz-metal quartet MOTHGUTS, this Saturday at The Space. More info on them below but first let's check out some video of this goodness...

Awesome. Want more? Well, it just so happens you can download Mothguts entire discography right here (3/4 down the page).

So far, the quartet have released three proper studio albums, a live album, a Christmas album, and an improv album. All of which are fully fueled with blistering, Satanic-fit-inducing metallic riffage, sax shronk and skree, a la Painkiller/Naked City/Last Exit but very much their own beast.

The Invisible Hand
We've got another damn good reason for you to show up - your first shot at picking up the latest album from Ithaca's own jazz-noise-punks, The Invisible Hand entitled "A Zen Philosophy" plus the release of guitarist/bassist Mark's own solo EP "The Rapture". Two spankin' new releases at one show. Need something to do in the meantime? How about this official music video from the TIH camp for the track "Fukushima". Come down to the space for more of Mark's video animation during their live set.

Don't Go Into The Woods
Closing out this three band evening is Ithaca's own black metal three piece. Don't Go Into The Woods. Check out some footage from their last IU gig at The Haunt. Who knew psych/folk singer/songwriter Mike (A)! had the blackmetal pipes!

Saturday, November 12th
The Space @ GreenStar (aka The Annex)

700 West Buffalo St
Ithaca, NY 14850

Friday, October 21, 2011

They day we've all been waiting for this fall is nearly upon us... Melt-Banana's return to Ithaca!  Japanese noise-punk-pop-wtf quartet sync up with California math-pop cult-favs Tera Melos (who have been on tour with Boris/Coliseum until today) in Cleveland on Saturday then its time to show the world how Ithaca gets down. Oneonta's own Cattle Drums will kick the show off around 7:30. You may remember them from Big Day In, Dec 2010 or from their summer tour with Dan Drake... you may also recognize their vocalist as non other than Moster Machismo drum wizard Sam Judd. Holla.

Presale tickets are still available if you want to save $4 here:

Tickets will be sold at the door as well. Check out the vids and links below!

Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Whew! Another crazy week of shows here in Ithaca. All wrapped up with the IU show at The Haunt with Cobra Skulls, Nothington, Bombtree, and The Dirty Slits.  Great sets by all as those who were there will tell. But why just listen to me? How about some footage then, starting off with a double song in one clip rendition of The Streets of Cairo (Cobralectric) and Ode to Jefferson with Cobra-friend PHIL on banjo. Definitely didn't expect them to pull out tracks all the way back from Draw Muhammad.  Great night! Check the footage for some of my favorite punk acts.

Additional footage from some non-IU sets like Man Man (who we as awesome as hoped after 6 years of trying to see them), Grandchild, why+the+wires (who got to open for MM), Hyrrokkin (members of Matta Gawa and Kuan and blew away any expectations that line-up would herald), Nick Millevoi (of Many Arms and Make-a-Rising who shows you how to play your damn guitar), and a cool, newish band called Alter Koker. Thanks to Dan Smalls Presents and Experiment Without Borders for those shows.

Cobra Skulls - Streets of Cairo/Ode To Jefferson

Sunday, October 16, 2011

FRESH! tracks from our Oneonta boys in Cattle Drums. Check 'em out below:

"I'm Glad I Cut Off My Legs" is my jam at the moment. Looking forward to hearing the new tunes when they perform with Tera Melos and Melt Banana a week from tonight at The Haunt!

Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Just a few days after naming the new records from Cobra Skulls and Nothington the #3 and #4 fan favorite albums from September, Punk news has posted an interview with the band as well which can be found here.

See you all at The Haunt from 6PM-10PM for our all ages show with Cobra Skulls, Nothington, Bombtree, and The Dirty Slits.  $8 at the door but presale tickets are still available via Ticketleap.

Cobra Skulls, now on Fat Wreck Chords, return to Ithaca for the first time since the '09 Red Scare tour (Menzingers, Sidekicks) and we are STOKED. Once of the nicest bands we've had through and always a blast live. Nice to see the good ones getting the attention. They've been busy since we last saw them signing to Fat and dropping their "Bring The War Home" EP and just released their 3rd LP "Agitations. Never heard of them? Well... check 'em out and learn about your new favorite punk band.

And let's not forget their former Red Scare labelmates Nothington (featuring ex-Tsunami Bomb members Jay Northington and Gabriel Lindeman) on on tour with CS all the way from San Fran. We've got some footage below to wet your pallet. See you this Saturday!

Cobra Skulls, Nothington, Bombtree, The Dirty Slits at The Haunt, 702 Willow Ave, Ithaca, NY 14850.  Just $8 at the door (or pre-sale here with no surcharge), this all ages show kicks off at 6PM (doors at 5PM) and runs til ~10PM. Off-street parking is available as are meals via Razorback BBQ, located inside The Haunt.

New video for Rebel Fate off Agitations

Back to '10 for one of my favorites off of American Rubicon 'HDUI'

Our ritual psych drone friends Sun Spells (aka ßun ßpells) are seeking a vocalist. More info below and here.

What could possibly make Sunday, October 23rd better than it already is, given that Ithaca Underground is presenting Melt-Banana, Tera Melos, and Cattle Drums at The Haunt that evening?  Well, our friends over at Buffalo Street Books are having Dr. Greg Graffin - of the Bad Religion fame but also a biology professor at UCLA - reads from his new book "Anarchy Evolution" from 3PM-6PM - plenty of time to catch .

More info here. 

BSB is located at 215 N Cayuga St, Ithaca, NY 14850-4329

Tuesday, October 11, 2011

Here's a ton of footage from some shows that went down aover the last few weeks around town, including Summer People/HotChaCha's 12" split "Do It" release show at Culture Shock on Sunday, which was pretty off the wall. Zlam Dunk picked up a whole bunch of upstate fans that night for sure. Check them out along with the last minute stop for Jealousy Mountain Duo and Brian, plus footage from the DSP show with Deerhoof, Powerdove, and Keir Neuringer back in Sept.

Summer People - Baseball Bat

Zlam Dunk

Monday, October 10, 2011

On 10/8 we added 5 more acts to our upcoming Dec 3rd BIG DAY IN including Cleveland's HotChaCha (who gave another insane performance on Sunday), The Sidekicks (Red Scare : Northeastern, OH), Band Name from Philly, local favorites why+the+wires, and last but certainly not least Algernon Cadwallader! They've been on our wishlist for a while now and we couldn't be happier they were able to join this great line-up.  If you're unfamiliar with the band, check them out here or here.  More info on the full line-up and links below:

Friday, October 7, 2011

I hope you didn't miss this one!


Thursday, September 29, 2011

Upcoming Show: THOU 10/3

In case you haven't heard yet, Ithaca Underground is bringing Baton Rouge's sludge riders THOU on Monday, October 3rd with locals Sun Spells and Lux Carentes at The Space @ GreenStar. Way cool, right?  What can you do in the meantime?  Well, NPR was awesome enough to snag some live audio from their set at the epic event w/ pg. 99 and Circle Takes The Square.  If we hadn't been many, many states away we would have absolutely been there. Need more?  Ok, fine.  Go download their ENTIRE DISCOGRAPHY.  They put it up for free so you don't have to get frustrated with the thousands of results for THOU via your P2P or torrent searches. It's that a nice bunch of ear-annihilating metal heads? 

So, go shirk responsibilities and be there at 700 W Buffalo St, Ithaca, NY 14850 (near Corks n' More, down the alley between Joe's Delivery and Enterprise - or just take the entrance off N. Fulton/RT 13... you can easily see it and all the glorious parking from the street that way).  8PM.  Just $5

Wednesday, September 28, 2011

Hey, it's not and Ithaca Underground gig but that doesn't mean it's not worth checking out. If you're into the noisier side of pop and haven't heard of Deerhoof, I'll let you go back to your rock.

8PM Doors folks... Details here.

So, you've probably heard SIRS are returning to Ithaca for BIG DAY IN #5 but, have you heard their releasing a tight with run, WALK! from the UK?  No joke. It's a collaboration from the very legit Topshelf Records and the equally legit, Holy Roar Records.  The 7"/CD drops next month...

Check out some of our friends making some sweet tracks. 

With latest, a killer 12" Split with HotChaCha is set to drop Oct 8th/9th, CNY favorites, Summer People are looking to issue more wax and put something a bit different in their tank to keep them on the road.

They're aiming to convert their tour van to Waste Vegetable Oil (WVO) Help the troop get their second full length, Teamwork pressed to vinyl.  What's in it for you? A slew of awesome, limited (some only to this kickstarter) releases, swag, and knowing you're helping local musicians take their art to the next level.

Check out the official info here:

How about some NEWS?

Greetings from the underground! So, as many of you have seen, FREE! evolved out of the interviews/articles we used to issue through the print version of the zine from late '08 to early '10.  Since then, we covered relatively the same format, just online instead of print. Within the last few months, we've been posting videos from the IU YouTube Channel here. We're thinking about posting brief passages with news relevant to Ithaca & regional music we support. Sound cool? Feel free to give us your feedback.

Tuesday, September 27, 2011

Drumroll please...

Go check out the latest edition of - v3.0 right here! Sing up for our eNews, updated forums, calendar, booking request form, and more. Lots more to come too! We wanted to get the basics out of the gate as soon as possible but we're looking to take this above and beyond the last one.

Wednesday, September 21, 2011

Thanks to everyone who came out! Long night with lots of great sets - 3 of which from bands who this was their first show aligned w/ IU (These Machines especially blew our minds) - PLUS new material from Hiroshima Vacation. Check 'em all.

Hiroshima Vacation

Wednesday, September 14, 2011

After some slooooooow tube movement and silly, non-functioning router action - here's some footage from Monday night's show! Great sets by all including Daniel Francis Doyle's first Ithaca performance as a trio (featuring a fellow former When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth member behind the kit), an intimate, semi-acoustic special performance from Kites In Space, new and re-worked material from Kaboosh!, and another solid ultra-drone set from Sun Spells - the whole 20+ min clip this time!

Daniel Francis Doyle (trio) 'There Are Two of You'

Monday, September 12, 2011

Live cuts from Friday night at The Space! Last Night Owls show ever in central NY.  Hope you were there!  Use the "Click here to read the full article!" link for all the vids.  Loving the new Rejouissance material btw...

Night Owls

Band name/location: We are Praetura, from Brooklyn NY.

Members: J stallings on drums and M.Paradis on guitar.

Formed: We've been playing together since I (Morgan) moved to Brooklyn in 2008, but we've been gathering a bit of steam since early 2011.

Releases: In January 2011 we recorded 7 songs with Colin Marston at the Caves of Menegroth that we recently self-released as a CD. Expect more to come!

Tell us about yourselves!
I like to think that Praetura is a mix of all the musical things that both of us hold dear: careful songwriting, attention to detail, maybe a nod to subtlety; but still maintains that chaotic feeling, where you think maybe the song is just going to fall apart when you listen to it. What the fuck are these people doing? But you find it strangely compelling...

As far as influences, I can tell you what we have on pretty much constant rotation. We are both old punkers, so, we still like to listen to Subhumans and MDC and relive our glory days. Old school American and Swedish death metal, grind, hardcore, jazz, all kinds of instrumental music.

Looking forward to playing in Ithaca for the first time on the 16th, and we're playing in Brooklyn on October 9th at Acheron with Canadian grinders Wake!

Don't miss Praetura live with Hiroshima Vacation, These Machines, and Among Dead Men at the Community School of Music & Art, 3rd Floor Auditorium, 330 E State / MLK Jr St, Ithaca, NY 14850 - 8PM | $5 | ALL AGES

Thursday, September 8, 2011

Sorry for the delay on this one folks! Thanks to everyone who pulled themselves out on a Monday night for a really diverse show.  Zorch completely blew everyone's minds (and ears and eyes) with that special thing they do. Daffodil turn heads with think, bluesy garage rock that had everyone asking where they were from and why we hadn't had them up before - just took a few years to sync up! Ha. The newish due of Laika + Luddite Machine laid down some killer beats with well-interwoven guitars and young dudes Cheerleader Death Squad made their IU debut. So, look for more from them.


Tuesday, September 6, 2011

On Monday, Sept 12th, Daniel Francis Doyle will return to Ithaca for his fourth Ithaca Underground show - his first since April '10.  Since then, there's been some interesting activity in the DFD camp. We were able to catch up with Daniel while on the road for a very quick bit of Q&A...

IU: How have you been since we last saw you in Ithaca?

DFD: I've been alright. Workin' on new music and such.

IU: How was last fall's tour? I heard you got to experience our friends at Bazooka / Bazooka back in Oct while the core of the IU camp was driving out to Minnesota.

DFD: Yeah, the show in Binghampton was great! Really great bunch of people there.

IU: What's the skinny on your newest single/EP "There Are Two of You"?

DFD: Well, it's actually not  really new anymore, it came out last October. But, yeah, my website still has it listed as "new". Sorry for the confusion. It's a 2 song 7", "There Are Two of You" b/w "Sharing Stories". SOUNGS, a label out of Brooklyn, released it. They are just about to release a new comp that I'll be on, too. I actually have a new 10" just about to be released on Monofonus Press. They might mail it to me in Ithaca -- so my upcoming visit with ya'll might be the 1st show I'll play with the new release!

IU: I've also heard you've been collaborating with some pals from Austin and may have a split coming as well?

DFD: Yeah, I'm touring with a full band this time around and playing mostly new songs. The split is that Monofonus release I talked about above. It's with Austin's Dikes of Holland!

IU: What else will 2011 (and 2012 if you can speak to it) hold for DFD?

DFD: Recording an album with the band and hopefully more touring!!!

IU: Stoked to play your third different space in Ithaca in 4 gigs?

DFD: Yes! I love coming to Ithaca, and I am grateful you keep having me back!!

IU: Any words for your fans here in CNY and to those coming out on 9/12?

DFD: Oh....woah. Hhhmmmm. I guess that i hope they have a good time at the show, and to feel free to "cut a rug" at the show! You know, dancin!

Don't miss Daniel, on tour from Austin, TX live on Monday, Sept 12th with Kites In Space, Kaboosh!, Sun Spells at The Space @ GreenStar, 700 W Buffalo St, Ithaca, NY 14850 - 8PM | $5 | ALL AGES

Band Name: Nelsonvillains

Location: New Paltz, NY

Formed:  2010

Cody “Bones” Torlincasi, Jake Harms, Scott Nicholas, Alijah Molinari

Releases: Sounds Of Summer Single – May 21st, 2011

History: Cody and Jake met each other drinking whiskey in a parking lot during the past Spring. The whiskey was cheap, but the laughs weren't. Jake was playing in a trio incarnartion of Nelsonvillains with Alijah, whom he’d met through a Craiglist ad. He and Cody decided to begin working in more elaborate instrumentation to the band after discovering they shared many musical influences.

The band’s first single was released in May shortly after its first bass player quit, and new bassist/producer, Scott, joined.

Future: We’ve spent the past summer working on our first full-length, producing feverishly in our basement/practice space, and have recently been signed by our friend’s brand new label, Salvation Recording Company, which hosts meetings for Route 32 Presents… a community collective that puts on DIY basement shows, and works with some venues to kill the local jam band scene. Following the release of this album, which is as of yet unnamed, we’re going to start relentlessly touring everywhere and anywhere possible – so far there are two tours planned with fellow labelmate, Wind-Up Bird (whom our bassist Scott, heads), that span the east coast, midwest and south. Basically, we just want to play as much as possible in the coming months after the release of our first album, and try to release something else by next summer, and just keep doing this as long as no one becomes too homeless or infirm.

Our upcoming shows are a Route 32 Presents… on Sept. 10th, at Bacchus, with PORCHES, Year On A Mountain, Underground River and a warehouse show in Brooklyn hosted by a city-blog called Dingus On Music, sponsored by the MEME Collective.

We like to make asses move and throats hoarse, and maybe brains work a little bit in retrospect…… it’s thinker music for people who like to yell a lot.

Don't miss Nellsonvillian's Ithaca debut this Friday, September 9th with Night Owls - their last show in Ithaca ever, Rejouissance, Why The Wires, and Mike (A)! and The Exploders at The Space, 700 W Buffalo St, Ithaca, NY 14850 - 8PM | $5 | ALL AGES

Band Name: These Machines

Location: Binghamton NY

Formed: December 2008

Sound: Heavy and chaotic tech/death metal meets Neurosis and Today is the Day

Tom Doud::Guitar/Vocals (2010-present)
Paul Ghilardi: Bass/Vocals (2008-present)
Mike Emm Drums/Vocals (2009-present)

Past members: Derek Lindow, Rick Barto, Brandon O'neal, Dustin Schoelier

Releases: Month (Jan 2009), Pharmakon (September 2011)

About The Band: We basicly take the chaos and brutality of technical death metal, combine it with super heavy sludge metal riffs, and then add some Melvins/Today is the Day influenced weirdness to keep it interesting for ourselves.

Mike Emm is an absolute beast of a drummer, an experienced Marijuana Connoisseur and blast machine. I don't even know how he comes up with half the drum parts he does. He keeps the tradition of tough dude Binghamton extreme metal drummers alive and well, with his large biceps and a devestating right hook.

Paul Ghilardi is simply one of the smartest dudes I know. He's super creative and listens to a huge variety of music. He writes a lot of the songs and riffs. Totally inspiring musician to play with. He also has a sexy beard. Something that I can not grow even at the age of 28. So, Paul is also more of a man than I am.

As for me, I rip off Steve Austin of Today is The Day pretty badly.

The New Record: Pharmakon is completely finished and is currently being mastered. It was recorded by Kyle Serlington (Bass player for The Dirty Slits) so it obviously has a huge meaty sound. It's a loose concept record but we won't bore you with explaining it. We're just happy with it as a band and hope that some of you enjoy it as much as we do.

Band Influences: We love all kinds of different genres of music and listen to tons of bands, but as far as our sound I hear a lot of: Ed Gein, Today is The Day, death metal (Malavolent Creation, Nile), Mastodon, Converge, Cephalic Carnage.

Lastly, I want to thank all you excellent people in Ithaca for being beyond awesome as usual. We can't wait to make our Ithaca debut Sept 16th!!!

Wednesday, August 24, 2011

Band Name:
(Leo): I came up with the name Cheerleader Death Squad the day after I watched Kill Bill Vol.2 for the first time.  Every other person in that movie is a female assassin with like a gun or samurai sword, so that just evolved into cheerleader assassins, and thus, Cheerleader Death Squad.

(Tyler) "the Fox Hole", Ithaca, New York

(Leo/Aidan) Earlier this year, around March/April

Leo a.k.a. Antisocial bathroom stall dweller -Vocals
Aidan a.k.a. Jock - guitar
Tyler a.k.a. Anorexic cheerleader - drums
...we're still looking for a bass player

We have a sort of EP type thing here:
We'll probably release a full album or something when our recording setup is a little less..... problematic.

Tell us about yourselves!
At first we were Pandaray where Leo was on drums and Aidan and I would switch off between bass and guitar. At one point Aidan got the idea for a noise rock band, so we sorta switched back and forth between the two. We played a show with DAADs, and KSP on fathers day at Waffle Frolic and afterwords we realized we needed a singer to front the band. Leo was the first one to step up to the plate. Since I knew how to play drums, I just took his place, he became the singer, and that brings us to where we are today.

That project still exists as a math rock/alternative band which we'll probably have off the ground soon and hopefully play some shows as well. Tracks are available here:

Catch Cheerleader Death Squad live in their IU debut with Zorch (Austin, TX), Daffodil (Binghamton), and Laika + Luddite Machine on Monday, August 29th at The Space @ GreenStar, 700 W Buffalo, Ithaca, NY 14850 - 8PM, $5, ALL AGES. 

Footage from Saturday's show with the mighty ZRUDA! Featuring the drummer & guitarist formerly of Gaylord. We aim to have them back soon. Killer sci-fi, technical psych-synth-metal that is just THE most fun live. Check out some photos of the whole show here.

Tuesday, August 23, 2011

Here's footage from Beach Parade's last show ever / Bubba's birthday show. Hope you were here for this one!  Check 'em out here or head to the IU YouTube page for HD.

Beach Parade - Two if it Tastes Good

Beach Parade - 67 Inches

Beach Parade

Beach Parade

Mouth To Mouth To Mouth 'Consensus on the Fences'

Mouth To Mouth To Mouth 'That Felt Weird Coming Out Of My Mouth' (New)

Mouth To Mouth To Mouth 'Mouth Parade'

Crime Pays

Crime Pays

Doll Eyes

Doll Eyes

Monday, August 8, 2011

Meet The Band: Doll Eyes

Band Name: Doll Eyes

Location: You know, around.

Formed: 2010-2011

Eli Ben-Yaacov- Lead Axe, Backup Vox
Jacob Kotler- Rhythm Axe, Bass Axe
Daniel Stackman- Drum Axe
Dylan Wells- Bass Axe, Rhythm Axe
Maxine Fallon-Goodwin- Lead Vox

The Matt Carr EP (as the motivators)- this is the best sounding release as that band, with Chris Marr on lead guitar, and Chris Ploss on production, it's online for free:

Big Fun (upcoming August 2011)- this is the debut Doll Eyes album, recorded live, and produced by Chris Ploss. You can buy it for 5 dollars physical, or 3 dollars digital from bandcamp soon.

Bio: Four of us used to be in various lineups of this punk band called The Motivators when we were in highschool. Jacob and Eli started writing the songs for our new album last summer, and this summer we finished writing it, added our new singer, and got it all recorded. We like to have Big Fun with our music, and we hope you will too.

Influences: Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, Arctic Monkeys, At The Drive In, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Stooges, T. Rex, Pixies, Surfer Blood, Santigold, Waka Flocka Flame.

Sounds Like: A groovy, catchy punk band that uses way too many jazz chords.


Catch Doll Eyes live, opening this Saturday, August 13th at The Haunt, 702 Willow Ave, Ithaca, NY 14850 with Braveyoung, Beach Parade, Crime Pays, and Mouth To Mouth To Mouth. Doors at 5PM, they're on 6PM. FREE SHOW!

Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Braveyoung (formerly known as Giant) hail from Greensboro, NC and compose beautifully lush and complex instrumental music for your aural pleasure. Their latest, We Are Lonely Animals and their preceding EP Song found release through the mighty The End Records (Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Ulver, Goes Cube, etc).

They've had a busy 2011 so far with the release of their latest LP and a pending collaboration with The Body. Up next the troop is about to launch on a Northeast US/Canadian tour with our friends in Rosetta. On their way back home, Ithaca Underground is presenting an absolutely FREE show with this fantastic five-piece in celebration of Bubba (IU main-man) Crumrine's birthday and the final performance of local favorites, Beach Parade. BY bassist and co-founding member Zack Jones takes a few minutes before they hit the road for some quick Q&A.

IU: For the uninitiated, could you give our readers a bit of background on how you, your brother, and Kyle (and Derrek at the time) all met and started writing music together as what would become Braveyoung?

Zack: Isaac and I have been playing together since we were children. We grew up in a small farmtown in rural NC, fortunately immersed in a very musical family. Kyle and Derrick were living in greensboro when Isaac and approached them about working with us on some stuff. We had already written what would become the red opus, and some other stuff we later discarded.

IU: When did Ben come into the picture?

Zack: Rodney, who had been working with us during the recording of 'song' and some tours following that, decided to have a family.  Ben is a long time friend, and he was over what he was involved in musically at the time, so after continuing for quite some time as a four piece, we asked him to help us flesh out some bigger ideas.

IU: Earlier this spring the band released "We Are Lonely Animals" What are some of your favorite moments of the LP - ether of the process or the composition itself? 

Zack: There have always been long drags of time between records with braveyoung, mainly because it is expensive to produce a record the way we feel like a record should be produced. We had been stuck on a collection of recordings that over 2 years of production, had thousands and thousands of dollars invested in it, only to be discarded. It was an intensely confusing time for us, and when Derrick decided to leave the band after 5 weeks in Europe, it gave us the opportunity to just completely move on from that material. The writing was, personally, one of the most intimate and favorable experiences of my life. We also got to record live, which is something we always felt would benefit us. We were very excited to finally be able to put to record what we had been doing live for the past few years. Trying to compose some pieces that had a severe amount of weight to them without being "heavy", in a common sense of the word. I really like how quiet the record is.

IU: Also earlier in the year, you all collaborated with The Body on a studio project - any updates on when the world might get to hear what came of the sessions?

Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Another great IU show at The Space! Thanks to everyone who came out to this one. Solid footage from NYC's Meek is Murder and Tiger Flowers, more clips of Crime Pays including a new song, and one of CNY's newest metal acts, the uniquely ambient instrumental metal Paralysis at Dawn. Get on... Q&A with three of the four posted elsewhere on FREE!.

Meek Is Murder - (null)

Meek is Murder

Meek is Murder - foo/Garbage Collector

Tiger Flowers

Tiger Flowers

Crime Pays (incl new song)

Crime Pays

Paralysis at Dawn

Paralysis at Dawn

Saturday, July 23, 2011

Band Name:
Hi, how are you? We're meek is murder.  

We're from Brooklyn, NY. Right now we're in a gross van tarnishing the picturesque quality of Burlington, VT. Someone tagged "El Barto" backwards on the rear doors of our van the day before we left. I think it was Sean. Fuck you, Sean.

Meek was my (Keller's) solo project which I started in late 2005. We didn't become a band with real life human members until early 2008 or so. Our first show was in 2009 and our first record came out this year in 2011. I guess we're kinda slow.

Keller- vocals and guitar
Sam- bass
Frank- drums

Andrea- my girlfriend and our unofficial manager/caffeine level monitor.

We just release an album called "Algorithms" which was recorded by Kurt Ballou (Converge). It's about Computer Science.

I also put out an EP in 2007 called "Mosquito Eater" when meek was still a solo project. I recorded it in my bedroom with one microphone. Some people say it sounds kind of cool. I think it sounds like it was recorded in my bedroom with one microphone.

Tell us about yourselves!
I used to be in a band called The Red Chord and before that I was in a band called NAME, neither of which which sound like really. Sam has a band called Sunwoman who we don't sound like at all. Frank is in a band called Empyreon which we REALLY don't sound anything like.

The purpose of this band is to have lots of "vantime" which we're doing pretty well at this year. We went to Texas for SXSW. Right now we're on tour with Fuck The Facts. Next week we're going out with Tiger Flowers. In case you were wondering "vantime" is in fact one word because the van no longer exists as a separate or tangible entity but a seamless extension of the collective dude consciousness. Also, the laws governing the space-time continuum cease to apply within this complex bouquet of aromas. Additionally we are quite fond of Waffle House. There aren't any WH in Brooklyn so in order to quell an insatiable hunger we obviously had to start a punk band.

Check out meek is murder's new video "Recursions" over at Metal Sucks and don't miss them live at The Space @ GreenStar, 700 W Buffalo St, Ithaca, NY 14850 with pals Tiger Army and locals Crime Pays and Paralysis at Dawn. 8PM $5 ALL AGES. 

Band Name: Paralysis At Dawn

Location: Groton, Cortland, Moravia

Current line up was around the fall of 2010.


Dana Twigg- Drum kit
Ritchie K- Brutal Guitar
David H- Destroyed Guitar and some percussion

Releases: There are no current releases from PAD.  We have a 3 song demo that's waiting to be mastered. Mid-August we should have it to throw at people. We're hoping to press it on a 7" or a split LP with other artists eventually.

Tell us about yourselves!
Paralysis at Dawn is music and sounds that are distinct, and represent our energy and vision. We don't really have any anchors when it comes to songwriting or styles of music.  Though Ritchie and Dana have established an unique technical, trash like metal over these past ten years that serves as the basis for most of our work,  the addition of David and the direction of our jams have us not knowing what material will end up being arranged.  "Technically sound ambient metal" is probably the easiest way to describe what we do (thanks Bubba). Our band takes influences from a variety of sounds and we try to incorporate those various influences into every song we write. I think we're striving for a sound all our own and so far we're doing a pretty good job with it.  Matched Cut, War Dove, and 30 Watts Short are bands that we've previously played in.  Dana also is an acoustic folk style songwriter.

Our first show at the haunt with our friends Baylor's Eye had us pumped due the the great response we received. We have the writing process on hold over the summer, but we are very much stoked to put some new material together.   We're anticipating performing IU shows, as well as at the 77 Club in Cortland.
We are looking to expand our sound through different instrumentation, and having friends supplement our sound with vocals, noise, live energy or anything else really...  but we'll see what happens. Definite plans are Playing for the love of playing and coming up with more "_______ @ Dawn" t shirt ideas.

Catch Paralysis at Dawn live, opening for Meek Is Murder, Tiger Flowers, and Crime Pays on Thursday, July 28th at The Space @ GreenStar, 700 W Buffalo St, Ithaca, NY 14850 - 8PM | $5 | ALL AGES

Thursday, July 21, 2011

Meet The Band: Tiger Flowers

Band Name: TIGER FLOWERS. We named the band after the first black Middleweight Champion of the world. We're also known as The Tiger Lillies. Will wanted to name the band Cement Condom. We kicked the everloving shit out of him for even uttering those words.

Location: Harlem, Bronx, Upstate New York and Long Island.  True story.

Formed: 2008ish. Jesse came from My Bitter End and Will and Dean came from Johnny Cage is a Fake, They formed TF and Dan who was in a band with Jesse came on to play drums and to fellate and massage Jesse when he's feeling tense.

Members: William Gomez, Daniel Miccio, Jesse James Madre And Dean Chooch Landry. Will Gomez is actually a superhero named "DOC Gomez" He saves lives.. lot's of em with his own two magic hands. Jesse is a writer and a Master piercer, Dan is part owner of A sick T-shirt company called Bile Hendenson and Dean is an artist/photographer.

coming very soon. (it's complicated)

Tell us about yourselves! Our sound is a bit of a mix of mathy, passionate, desperate and destructive emotive hot mess. We play music together because we love traveling, sharing music with other people and making friends. And most of all we like going to Waffle House together.

We have an awesome summer tour coming up with our NYC buds Meek Is Murder! Check our Facebook band page for all tour dates. 

Don't miss Tiger Flowers live with meek is murder, Crime Pays, and Paralysis at Dawn at The Space @ GreenStar, 700 W Buffalo St, Ithaca, NY 14850 - 8PM | $5 | ALL AGES

Thanks to everyone who came out to our Sunday night punk/ska show!  
Click on the name of the article for all the footage.

Mill Bastards

The Waffle Stompers 'Serious'

The Dirty Slits

King Sized Pegasus

Footage from our 7/13 show - sadly Elsa & the awesomeAWESOMES' last gig ever. Plus side, he had some pretty great antics for the farewell and The Emotron and Andy the doorbum did a combined set which was dark and fantastic. Lots of footage after the break! Plenty more at the IU YouTube channel.

The Emotron

Elsa & the awesomeAWESOMES - slight intermission, encore, and battle!

Wednesday, July 13, 2011

Ithaca says "Good-bye!" to Elsa & The awesomeAWESOMES tonight at The Space.  Get ready for an extra special performance with more costumes, gags, interactivity, and more. He's on second. Headlining is the return of The Emotron with the first appearance of Andy The doorbum in I-town. Paper Armies to support.  Read more for details and more video!

Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Footage from July 9th big heavy show at The Haunt. I love me some Batilus... also check out the new Don't Go Into The Woods line up, yes!!


Mutilation Rites

Don't Go Into The Woods - 'Rite of the Nazgol'

Don't Go Into The Woods

Sorrow of Batavia

Sorrow of Batavia

Lots more video over at the IU YouTube channel:

A few clips from some recent out of town gigs!

Cloud Becomes Your Hand @ Bazooka/Bazooka

Cloud Becomes Your Hand @ Bazooka/Bazooka

Dan Drake/Cattle Drums @ The Flying Squirrel

All of Them Witches @ The Flying Squirrel

Mouth To Mouth To Mouth @ The Flying Squirrel

Lots more video over at the IU YouTube channel:

Monday, June 27, 2011

Footage from one of the best shows we've ever done! Thanks for the huge turnout, support, and patients getting started a bit late. Hope you were there!

Defiance, Ohio - 'The List'

Nana Grizol - "Voices Echo Down Thee Halls"

Nana Grizol - "Cynicism"

Toby Foster

Toby Foster

Defiance, Ohio - "Oh, Susquehanna!"

Nana Grizol

Your Heart Breaks

Your Heart Breaks

Thursday, June 9, 2011

WOW - I hope you made it out to this one!


TINSEL TEETH - footage get's a little less chaotic around 2:14




Hiroshima Vacation

Hiroshima Vacation

The Invisible Hand

Wednesday, June 8, 2011

Check out some footage from the Ithaca Underground stage at Ithaca Festival this past Saturday! Couldn't get clips from all the bands but here's what we got! If you have any footage, send it our way!



Painted Rust

Thirteen South

Thirteen South

Bridge Under Fire

Fight A Scary Dog

Why The Wires

Mike (A)!

Mike (A)!



Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Providence, Rhode Island's Tinsel Teeth are one of the few bands whose live performance has been tuned to match the intensity of their music - bludgeoning you with thick noise-rock and bizarre female vocals while throwing themselves into the crowd, soaking themselves in fake blood, props, skin, mayhem... all in the hope of entertaining YOU the fuck out. Bubba Crumrine catches up with Will for the story.  Their new official video for 'Stock Footage of Stuntmen' is at the bottom!

IU: Hey Will, you and Brandon were the founding members of the band, correct? How did Dave come into the picture and where the hell did you find such an amazing front woman like Stephanie?

W: Brandon and I met at work and started playing music together.  He and Dave had been in a band together called "Spheres" that broke up.  Dave was also Brandon's roommate at the time, so when he heard us playing in the basement and was into it, he just came down the stairs.  That part was pretty easy.  As for Steph... the first time we met her she was easily and instantly drawn into our web of spells and magic.  She has never been the same since.

IU: Did any of the blood, props, and nudity come first or did your live shows start out of the gate at the extreme level they're known and loved for now?

W: We did talk a lot at an early point in the band about what we wanted to see in a live show.  We were all bored with going to shows and not being entertained.  Not seeing the package of killer music and rocking the fuck out.  So it definitely became a focus for a Tinsel Teeth show to be a party.  Once we started playing out, the actual progression show to show to what you see now came pretty naturally.  I can say that one of the first 2-3 shows we ever played was at "summercamp" in Providence.  After we set up our gear we ran downstairs, took off all our clothes and covered each other in shaving cream.  That was a shocked crowd when we came back up and one hell of a show.  It's what I believe set the tone for Tinsel Teeth.    

IU: How much fake blood do you go through in an average year?

W: Too much, someone sponsor us.  I dare you. 

IU: Have members of the band (or gear) ever been subject to injury at the hand of the live show?

Band Name: HotChaCha....Not Hot Cha Cha, or Hot ChaCha

Location: Cleveland, Ohio

Formed: On a sunny Tuesday afternoon in April, 4 years ago. Just about the time Jovana came back from Bosnia all depressed.

Members: Mandy Aramouni (guitar), Jovana Batkovic (spazz and vocals), Greg Gebhard (bass and booty), Roseanna Safos (drummmmzzzz)

Rifle, I knew you when you were just a pistol EP
The Worlds Hardest Working Telescope and The Violent Birth of Stars LP
Fantastic Static EP

Tell us about yourselves! 
HotChaCha was formed 4 years ago by Mandy and Jovana who remain the only original members of Hotchacha because they ate the other two. Than they got a new drummer and a new bass player who actually have time and desire to give up everything else and be in a band and make no money. HotChaCha sounds like this: AWESOME. Every release so far has been quite different. 'Rifle' was a reverbed grrl riot number, while 'telescope' is dancy. 'Fantastic Static' is definitely heavier and was getting closer to what could be referred to as the final HCC sound. HotChaCha is recording another full length in July, and will be performing these songs for the upcoming tours. We have 3 shorter tours coming up, one of which is with Summer People. Than we have a really long one coming up end of august till beginning of October. We will either kill each other by the end of this year, OR all carry Gregs babies. The purpose of this band is to make you laugh and cry and mastrubate at the same time.